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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168094
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Max had his cardiac consult today.........

The cardiologist looked at his chest xrays and said that she did agree that his heart looked undersized and that his veins (pulmonary vasculature) could hardly be seen. She said that he did look hypovolemic and the appearance of a severely dehydrated dog. She did say that he himself didn't look at all dehydrated! She did say that the chest xrays look a lot like an Addison's dog, but was curious to see what she would find once she hooked him up.

She found no heart disease. She did find a couple of leaky valves (left side of the heart) that were very minor, and there is no murmur yet. If a murmur develops, then I should have a follow-up with her to monitor, etc. She said that the minor leaks are most likely a part of the aging process.

The left side of his heart however, is undersized. She said that this a result of whatever process is going on in his body. While affecting his heart, it isn't heart disease.

His EKG was fine. She noted that, although his BP was normal, it was not normal for a dog that was getting an echocardiogram, it was normal for a dog at home resting. So she considers his BP low.

She said that his bloodwork certainly doesn't look like Addison's, but it could be atypical, and Addison's certainly would explain the majority of his symptoms. She said if it wasn't Addison's, it might be the kidneys, not controlling water balance, like with diabetes insipidous, though he no longer has the symptoms of that (he did many years ago). If it isn't either of those, she doesn't have a clue. Her recommendation was to first have the Addison's test done, and then go from there.

Soooooo.....I already had a follow-up appt scheduled for Tuesday, I have an email into the vet checking to see if we can run the Addison's test then. I would rather do that with the regular vet, if it works for her.

Still searching, hoping we are getting closer.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168099
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Oh, she did said that she checked super carefully for hemangio and found no evidence, that's great news smile


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168106
07/16/11 03:18 AM
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Great news on the hemangio! I missed this thread before. I'm so sorry Max is having problems. frown

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: LifeAsMe] #168107
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Thanks LaM. I hope that Tuesday brings some answers.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168108
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The saga of Max continues.

So ...he is basically sound medically, yet they cannot determine the cause of his problems. thinking

The leaky valves sound scary, but that is normal for an aging dog?

I guess I would be encouraged with their findings but scared that it doesn't change what you are seeing with him.

What is your next step for Max?

Hope you both have a good weekend and get away from your worries. hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: LifeAsMe] #168110
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No signs of Hemangio is good news. I had to go Google to make sure what it was.

I was hoping and not hoping for answers. Answers would have been heart involved, but no answer is frustrating.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #168114
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Very frustrating. Healthy and not healthy penguin_spin <<those are the wheels in my head that keep spinning in circles crazy

I am glad that there was agreement on what all the different types of vets saw on the xray. At least that's *something*.

So, Addison's test on Tuesday, hopefully. I think Addison's is easier to treat than Cushing's, and Kathy showed us how great a person can do treating a Cushing's dog.

Hoping for some answers and some relief for the boy!

(eta: Val, I've been doing lots of googling...hypovolemic, never had heard of it!)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168138
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Lisa how long does it take to get the results of the Addison's test back? Is it something you have to wait a while for?

Hoping you get some definitive answers for your dear boy.


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: bianca] #168158
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Surprise! Max has a great heart-you knew that didn't you Lisa smile

Of course it's frustrating to go through the entire study of veterinary medicine ruling out body systems-but the absence of heart disease is important going forward.

Another challenge, I guess...

all possible good wishes,
Mary Jane

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: Mary Jane] #168220
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Originally Posted By: Mary Jane
Surprise! Max has a great heart-you knew that didn't you Lisa smile


wub that made me laugh, thank you MJ!

Yes, frustrating is a good word. This might be about the most expensive path to get a diagnosis, but I have a learned a lot of valuable things along the way. I do keep reading about megasophagus on my journey (can be caused by addison's), so I've been thinking good thoughts for Wolf along the way!!

Bianca, I don't know how long I have to wait for the results (too long I'm sure!), I was just wondering this morning if I am making a mistake about waiting for his regular vet on Tuesday - I keep reading about hypovolemic shock shocked

There is an herbal that I was using over vacation that seemed to really help, specifically called Adrenal Support. It just called to me from the shelf of the health food store. I will load him up with that after the test, while waiting for the results.

I don't think we've had an Addison's dog on the forum? They list GSDs as one of the more susceptible breeds frown


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168459
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
I don't think we've had an Addison's dog on the forum?


Lisa, I think I remember someone on the 'old' board who had a dog w/Addison's. Don't know if you would want to do a search or not. Hugs to Max. hugging


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: SeanRescueMom] #168489
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SRM, I just did that and have started a pm! She's on this forum too smile

I will relay the hugs....of course, he doesn't understand why I'm not taking him on longer walks, or letting him out too much - just trying to keep him bored and unstressed until Tuesday. And that's causing me more stress hammer


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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168537
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When do you find out about the Addison's? I tried to read it all carefully but apparently I did not!

Is that the one with the thinner skin?

One more day...

Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: JeanKBBMMMAAN] #168556
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The skin, I can't remember about the thin skin, I think I did read that somewhere - it does get pigmented though.

*i think* the test has a day or two turn around, which is a break.

Vet hopes the electrolytes aren't off - primary Addison's she says is expensive to treat frown I am hoping for atypical Addison's.


Yes, one more day, starting to count the hours now! Tough to live with a dog that can't breath, scary.


MaxaL (aka LisaT)

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Re: ultrasound for the heart?/echocardiogram [Re: MaxaLisa] #168634
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I'll be thinking of both of you tomorrow. hugging


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