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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain] #148305
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Ashley, just wondering what herbs your holistic vet gave you for Mason. I would be interested in comparing what your vet is giving him vs. what my vet has me giving Phoenix. We first started with Corydalis (1 1/2 2x a day) and Dry Derma Relief (3 tablets 2x a day) both in tablet form. We just changed over from the Corydalis to a new herb, but I forgot the name at the moment. I am also giving him Ultra EFA (from Rx Vitamins for pets).

If Mason has a sensitivity to processed chicken (like in kibble), I would be intersted if he's got a sensitivity to raw chicken. We've found Phoenix is sensitive to all things chicken, including chicken, chicken eggs and chicken fat. However, he is sensitive to processed beef, but raw beef is fine. Just more food for thought.


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: DnP] #148318
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Thanks for the thought Diana. So far, he hasn't had any problems with the raw chicken that I've seen...his stools are great!

The holistic vet gave Mason Wind Toxin and Epimedium, both in powder form- mixed together, to start off. (In the beginning, he was not very keen on the idea of eating his food with the herbs on it but he has gotten better with that now!)
Since I am new to this, I am not really sure what either are for, excpet that the Wind Toxin is supposed to draw away heat or something from his itchy areas. She thought he was on the smaller side for a intact male GSD (which I believe he is, but I have no problem with that, plus he just turned a yr old so still has a lot of filling out to do), so I think the Epimedium is supposed to help him fill out and mature or something along those lines...I can't remember what she said exactly.
She also gave me some Silicea, I had to give him 4-5 granules on his tongue...she said it was only a one time thing...I am not sure what that does or what it was for.
We go back in a month to review how he is doing on the current herbs and we will go from there I guess.
This is new for both of us, but so far I am liking this route. It's an adjustment for me as I am not familiar with all the different herbs and their effects, but I'm learning.

Any thoughts other thoughts, help or advice are greatly appreciated!
Thank you to everyone for helping us get this far!


~Ashley~

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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain] #148319
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Forgot to add...she believes that the hair loss on his ears is likely mites (non contagious), but she said not to really worry about it becasue it will go away on its own. She said that it can be common in young dogs?
She said if I really wanted, I could apply lavender oil to them and she named some other product as well, but I can't remember the name right now.
She also said with him being on the raw diet, that should help things too.


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain] #148327
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She didn't think the hair loss was fungal? A couple dogs I train with have had hair loss on their ears off and on their whole lives(they came from the same kennel, but different genetics and different owners). We thought it was from a fungus.
I'm glad you've gone the holistic route. I am following Masons progress with interest:)
Are you journaling this? I would be writing down everything!!


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: Jane Jean] #148328
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Yes, I am keeping a journal of everything!


Just looked up what the Silicea was for and I found that it is for the mites.


~Ashley~

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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain] #148371
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I'm not a big fan of journaling stuff, but I've become journal queen with Phoenix. Only way to keep track of things as my mind gets older...LOL

GREAT to hear that Mason is doing well on the raw chicken. And gotta do the happy poop dance for ya!!! poop Who knew one could fall in love with nice hard poop,eh?

I know my vet has tried to have me balance Phoenix's heat w/ the foods I'm feeding him (eliminating all "hot" foods like salmon, venison, etc)

I think it took us a good two to three months of acupuncture and giving the herbs until I saw some improvement. Of course, I have been giving the allergy shots the whole time. Our real test is going to be when we stop those after this last vial of serum.

Interesting diagnosis on the mites! Can't wait to hear updates on how Mason is doing!


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: DnP] #148760
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Haven't noticed any major changes yet, except the change in his stool. He's still itching , and has started a new "itch" spot on his back leg that he is pulling hair out of frown


Yesterday morning, while I was in the shower, he snuck into the cat food container and ate some food frown I don't know how much but I am hoping that won't set us back any, as it has grains in it. He has never bothered with it before. I have since moved it out of his reach, so he can no longer access it!


~Ashley~

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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain] #148841
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I'm not sure if I should post this, but...

Max's allergies are so severe that he reacted to all of the things that all the vets had me try. I got labeled as "difficult" because they thought I was just stopping things and didn't have the "patience" to see the response.

You can imagine how frustrating that is, because I refused to give something that was philisopically right, but that, in practice, wasn't working.

It *is* important that you don't stop too soon, but you will have to use your judgement - is it part of the healing process? Was there another possible trigger? Etc?

If he continues to get worse in that spot, be sure to communicate that to the vet.


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa] #148843
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Btw, I was hesitant to post that, because I don't want to encourage you to stop something too soon, and I do not want to discourage you about this vet.

I do have a working relationship with one of these vets now, or should I say, we are working on it - I have a couple of appts scheduled.


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa] #148852
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I just have a second to chime in here.

I wouldn't stop anything. This vet uses Chinese herbs and it takes a while to see changes. It took a long time to start seeing results with Kailor but now she is like a different dog. This vet is also a classical homeopath so you usually only dose with something 1 to 3 times, across a period of days.

Also, it is spring here and since most of our dogs have environmental allergies (since I am an allergy sufferer myself I notice these things) this is the time when you are going to see flare-ups due to an increase in the mold count and blooming trees, grass, etc. So equating the herbs with a new hot spot could very well be a false correlation.

Re: demodectic mange I would apply Azmira's Neem spray to the affected areas. And the spot on the leg could also be mange. Rafi had a spot on the top of his and several on his back, up near his shoulder blades. In his case I boosted his immune system and applied Neem and it resolved. It is very common in dogs under 2 years of age and usually indicates a weakened immune system (which would make sense in Mason's case, especially since he was given steroids).

Finally, if you are concerned about new problems contact the vet. She always wants to know what's happening, especially if some new health crisis arises.

And finally, finally...are you giving Mason regular baths? That has been such a huge help for Kailor. She has to have a bath a week or her skin gets itchy again. We use a variety of different shampoos but right now I would use a Neem shampoo for Kailor because that will help with the mange too.


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: BowWowMeow] #148901
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Thanks for the info Lisa and Ruth. I appreciate it.
I am definitely going to give it more time to get built up in his system...I know things like these aren't instant (although I am sure we all wish they were!).

I do believe he is having a "flare-up", because his armpit areas are getting really red and irritated which has never happened before.

One thing I am sad about right now is, his coat condition is still getting worse (I know that it will take time for the effects of raw to kick in)....on his sides, where he used to be solid black- he itches it so much that he has pulled the black guard hairs out and the grey undercoat is showing...it looks so weird but I love him anyways!

He is continuing to lose hair on his ears and on his feet. He was doing so good for a couple of weeks with his hair re-growth and now he is starting to itch it all out again frown

Mason gets a bath usually every other week, with Neem Shampoo.

Yes..it is frustrating, but we will get through this and hopefully find something that will work for him, given time!
I know that being patient and giving time....lots of time, is our key to success!!!


~Ashley~

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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: GSDTrain] #148960
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I know it's so frustrating. Hopefully he will turn a corner soon hugging


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Re: Mason Skin Issues- Thoughts? [Re: MaxaLisa] #149564
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Well, I believe Mason may have a skin infection now, as a result of all his itching and scratching. frown There are a few areas on his lower back that are bumpy and gooey and kind of smell and it feels very werid to touch. sick
Yesterday, he was really digging at himself. I didn't get a chance to look at the area last night because it was late when I noticed it, but I looked at it today. It wasn't like that when I gave him a bath 3 days ago.
I am going to call the vet tomorrow to see if I can get him in.


~Ashley~

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BTW, I tried to get a pic, but it is hard to see it in the pic because its dark and hidden by his fur.


~Ashley~

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That really sucks, I'm so sorry.

Is the itching getting better or worse?


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