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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Kayos] #107363
11/23/10 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted By: Kayos
I think I would simply insist he keep her on a long line. Is she your dog or his? Perhaps she is both as you have a relationship. But if it came down to it I would remember who wrote the check for her. As you are not married he or she who wrote check owns dog.

My dogs are pretty well trained but I can not compete with deer or enticing wildlife unless I opt for an e-collar.

We own Siena together. She came out of our joint expense fund wink

I will only take Siena off leash at one of our local bike/horse trails where there is limited places for her to go. My control is not nearly as good as Siena's (I take leashed walks 90% of the time).

I learned there were two humans and three dogs present during the attack. The dogs went down an embankment to the creek for some reason (maybe they heard something). Two of the dogs came back to the humans and they heard the other one being attacked. They suspect the animal (mt. lion) was drinking from the creek and thought it a good opportunity to get an 80# dog for lunch. Broad daylight, middle of the day. Probably less than a half mile from one of the park entrances.

Man, Sure has been on my mind a lot today.


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: DianaB] #107447
11/23/10 04:58 PM
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just recently i heard that there have been mountain lion sightings in my local hiking park. WHAT?? there have been no postings -- most parks around this area post that there have been sightings-- or local newspaper coverage. i just recently have started hiking on the cattle trails again now that they are green and th esummer thorn bushes are gone and although they are not in a wooded area i would imagine that we would still be easily seen and could be taken out. i hope the fact that there are always cows and deer about,would make us "not worth it"... which area did the initial "dog" snatching happen? and were the wildlife officials able to confirm a cat sighting? oddly enough in the high sierras, where we usually do our summer hiking, fishing and camping, we have never seen a bear (have had a pack of coyotes come close) i dont mean to say theya re not there, just have never seen or smelled them. now, down in south lake tahoe, in some of the most populated areas, we have seen bears galore. never thought of using bear bells, but am thinking about it now....


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #107484
11/23/10 06:19 PM
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This incident happened in Hayward, at Garin regional park (part of East Bay Regional Parks & Rec) about half a mile in from one of the entrances (not a main one, but one that has access off a residential street). The area was heavily wooded, although half of the park looks like your pics below and is out in the open. I have not seen anything on the news or reports about it specifically. It is, however a HUGE park.

We have, however, had multiple mountain lion sightings in the immediate area to the point last year there were two goats killed on a local ranch and one person was able to capture the lion in the brush just outside the home. At that time, because we are in the immediate vicinity of the park, we had a reverse 911 call from the local authorities with a warning to bring in the kids, etc. Of course, after the two goats, he was probably full and moved on.

I do know they are always around us, we just rarely see them. I think having the deer around is generally a good sign that the area is clear. In our area, the cattle move in for about half the year, then go somewhere else for the other half (where, I don't know). I think the cattle will be coming back now that it is winter.


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: DianaB] #107736
11/24/10 02:14 AM
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Oh wow, how horrible! I have heard of occasional mountain lion sightings in the regional parks. I would definitely be concerned about walking my dogs off leash in Garin after this incident. I wonder about walking at Chabot, especially if I'm out on the trails beyond the paved path by the lake. I do keep them on leash there because of all the poison oak, even though the trails are off leash under voice control. If either one of them saw a squirrel they'd be in the bushes before I could stop them, and while I could get them back they might be covered in poison oak, so we stay on leash. It's all good practice for leash skills anyway, and they get plenty of off leash exercise at Point Isabel or Fairmont Ridge.

I hope Richard is very careful now that this has already happened to one dog. I don't know if they would be so bold to attack with a human present (or attack a human, yikes!), but I sure wouldn't take that chance.


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Cassidy's Mom] #108225
11/25/10 04:39 AM
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Thanks for the pm on this Diana. What you've describing sounds like another mountain lion episode. I remember the mountain lion sighting a while back at Garin. That was near the main entrance. Kayla and I have walked through the middle of a coyote pack coming around a blind corner on the north side of the park and seen a few wild boar and skunks. The pics below were taken at Garin near Zeile creek.





The turkey population boom has made the area a great food source for the green belt.

One of the things I have done is to carry my phone and play music on it while walking through the valleys and wood/creek parts of the park.

I don't use the Tamarack entrance though we have hiked up near to it. Know several folks who do however and will make sure they are aware of the circumstances.

BTW, the deer? Favorite food source for Mt Lion so do not let their population/presence lull you. As you indicated, a large a very diverse park.

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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Kayla's Dad] #109291
11/29/10 02:27 AM
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There was actually an article in the SF Chronicle today (Sunday) in the Insight section about Mountain Lions in the Bay Area.


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: mspiker03] #109405
11/29/10 06:57 AM
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I found the article very interesting. Thanks for mentioning it.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/28/INF91GAE32.DTL


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: DianaB] #111414
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well, my thoughts are that maybe if there are alot of deer or geese right exactly where i am , that a cougar is not ar0und?? man oh man,i walk in the park right above port costa alot. i have to say though, there is a sign right at the trailhead saying that there have been sightings so i guess a dead one on the tracks shouldnt be shocking...

i was surprised that we have otters in our little park lake...


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #112610
12/08/10 05:41 AM
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Sorry, I've been away from this thread. I'm not sure what the right way to do this is. I am going to empower myself and at least talk to the ranger and get those recommendations. All these parks join at one point, it seems, and I just suspect we don't see half of what is going on.

I learned a bit more from an email that Woody's owner wrote about what conditions were like the morning Woody was attacked. I think it is good information for anyone hiking in the East Bay (or anywhere like this) to consider:

She wrote: "I have tried to be in touch with those who hike in Garin after several discussions with the rangers. There have been multiple sightings of the bigger cats in the last few months, even at Jordan pond.

The rangers would only have dogs off leash on nice sunny days when there are lots of people out. Mid morning to 4pm or so and on the trails where you have clear view on all sides which is tough sometimes.

The cats and coyotes follow the deer and they tend to be in the wooded area on the ridge trail where woody was killed. I have hiked in those skinny trails off the ridge above tamarack hundreds of times and never seen anything but that particular day it was raining and was the Sunday morning of the time change and at 8 am the animals were still hunting and no one was on the trail. I did see deer in there later when i was searching for woody's remains.

Rangers suggest walking with someone else as well. One of the rangers had a border collie who did the same thing - ran into a wooded area and was killed though they did find his remains up near the water tank.

I saw a very good warning poster about the dangers of dogs being off leash in certain areas at the Walnut Creek wide open space and that several dogs had been lost to coyotes. The rangers at Garin seem receptive to working with me on something similar so hopefully that will be woody's legacy.

I know in my heart he saved Harley's life and i doubt there will be a day i don't think of him for the rest of my life."


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: DianaB] #120810
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i just saw on the news a mountain lion was spotted in the san mataeo area...


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Schnickle Fritz] #120845
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I'm new on the board, so I know I'm jumping on an older thread, but we spend every weekend while it's reasonably warm enough (read not freezing, so May - end of Sept, beginning of Oct) camping in black bear, grizzly and cougar country. Kokoda always wore a bear bell, and we also carry bear bangers. The one time that we didn't have the bear banger outside, we had a bear running right up to our trailer and Kokoda took off after it (heart attack!!) and ran it off and came back right away. Do you guys have bear bangers down there? They are basically a pencil sized flare launcher that makes a very loud bang and you shoot the flare directly at the bear. They work really well for scaring off wildlife.


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Re: Effectiveness of Bear Bells? [Re: Liv] #120931
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i have never heard of bear bangers, but i am sure going to find out if we have them!!!


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