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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #30499
04/10/10 08:35 PM
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Didn't see Val's post up there....Tracy, she has lots of experience with the Cepha and the Staph.... I havd been using the Tylan here for the Staph issues with Max since he doesn't tolerate the Ceph so well. Probiotics are *really* important with that abx.


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #30501
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Lisa, I hadn't thought about the probiotics, I think I just may try it:))

and as a side note, I just had masi xrayed and stuff the other day, and the witch came up positive AGAIN for anaplasmosis:((

I am so sick of this, I even said to them , 'what the heck, every stinken year I have to expect my dogs to come up positive for this?" No one had an answer,,DUH...

So back on major doxy dose, I'll do it for 90 days, and when I retest I think I'm going to have them send out for 'levels' this time.. Aussies get tested next week, I'm sure they'll come up positive AGAIN to, good thing I have stocked up on doxy..

Sorry to hijack this!


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #30503
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Val: Max is not on antibiotics right now. He's on Ketokomizole, based on the idea that it could be yeast. But now that we have to go back on Cefa, I'll start the probiotics in the afternoon instead of with dinner. I did look at those links before, but I'll go back again for the food aspect.

Lisa: maybe my vet got the guy's (or gal's) phone number and will stay in touch. Who knows.

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #30504
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PS, see my avatar? That's what Max says to all of this! wink

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #30505
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Originally Posted By: vio79
Oh yeah and Max was on Prozac months ago and it didn't help.

Perhaps it was the wrong anti-depressant - some work better for the nerves than as an anti-depressant? For example, Neurontin is great for nerve pain, but as an anti-depressant, not so good. Her sleeping pill works pretty good for anxiety and not just sleep. There may be a specific reason that one was mentioned.

I don't think that the problem is psychological, but at this point, the system is so screwed up, they want to give him some relief, and also to help him heal by not scratching so much (kitchen sink). Everything, in theory, would act synergisticly (is that a word?). There may be ways to get at the same thing with supplements and diet, but if you are going for controlled treatment, you gotta go by the one protocol so it doesn't get messed up.


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #30508
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Originally Posted By: vio79
PS, see my avatar? That's what Max says to all of this! wink


I don't blame him at all.


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #30522
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Tracy, I really do understand your frustration and I love the Pic of max sticking his tongue out.

Unless there is a lot of starch as a filler or binder for the Probiotics, they shouldn't cause any problems and given away from the ABX will be very helpful. If the Ceph starts to irritate the tummy or you see a big lack of appetite then I would up the amount of Probiotics.


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #30527
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Cool, will do....

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #30818
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Originally Posted By: vio79
.....PS - should we do Hemopet when we're there next Thursday at this point?


It's always nice to have a full panel in a situation like this. Just ran across this:
http://www.ourdogsonline.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/254918/Re_dog_allergies#Post254918



Also, there is one anecdotal report on the tick list about a dog that seems to be tick free after starting Comfortis???? If anyone else has evidence either way, I'd be interested.

Interesting if it were true - ticks, unlike fleas, related to spiders, much like mites, so the power of Comfortis might not just be flea related, but mite related??? This is just speculation based on one tick observation (which may be coincidence), and a lot of itchy dogs that got better on that product.



Vio, before filling the anti'depressant med, let's do a check for interactions with the keto first. I don't have time right now, but I know both of thos drugs can interact with stuff...

Last edited by MaxaLisa; 04/11/10 11:51 AM.

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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #30819
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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: LJsMom] #30830
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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: LJsMom] #30901
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Thanks Joanne!

So it appears that the Keto will increase the amount of Ami in the blood, making it so a lower dose of Ami should be used when those two are together.

I think that the dose of keto is pretty much at the top of the range, and I don't know the dose of the Ami prescribed, and if I did, I would have no clue what the proper dose is under the circumstance. The important question is whether your vet knows. A Derm that uses these all the time should know how to use them together. A vet that isn't used to such a regimen I would be extra sure to double check. I would probably look to see what the standard dose is, and then see if it's significantly lower. I would also ask her if she is available and not still out of town.


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Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #30957
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The standard for dogs is

Dogs: All weights The usual initial dose is 0.5-2 mg per pound of petís body weight every 8-12 hours

We're giving him 85 mg, twice a day. So 1 mg per pound. So a little under the middle range.

I guess we'll ask for the thyroid panel on Thursday, just to see. Especially if there's no improvement.

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #30966
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Sounds like you have everything under control (or are faking it well hugging )

I would think you would see something different by Thursday??????

Hopefully you can get him out and exercise him and have some fun in the meantime. Enough of this, it's time for him to be healthy, poor you guys, poor Max frown


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Jazmine, mini-mix, 10/18/2011
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Max, 5/2001-2/2012, RIP my partner, my Regal Boy
Indy, 5/1997-10/2010, RIP my friend, my teacher

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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #30991
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Lisa, you'd think so. I hope so.

Did the woman on the other board happen to say how quickly the ThyRX worked? Looks like a prescription's not needed for it, which is good.

Just wondering if I could convince our vet to prescribe Soloxine (if Max isn't improved by next Thurs) without the full thyroid panel. Just because it seems stupid to spend an extra $100 when we already got the panel - if nothing else works, it's the only other thing I can think of.

We did take Max to a nice field and did some jogging with him - he had a blast and decided to tackle me in the field smile We just got back from walking him at the cemetery, too. So he's had a busy day!

No change so far, but he's only been on Keto since Thursday and the other two meds since Saturday.

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