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Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays #114692
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So sad! My husband just gave me a call. The vet said she's probably rate OFA "fair" in her left hip and "moderate" HD in her right.

Never seen what I've considered symptoms and she's always eager to get out and be a wild woman.

Now to come up with a game plan for maintanance.


J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114693
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She may not be showing any symptoms. smile They said the same thing about Jax. Here is what showed improvement for her

1) Chiropractor. Huge, huge improvement.
2) Dr. Ober said she shouldn't need joint supplements because her body should still be producing what she needs but I saw improvement with

Springtimeinc joint supplement - double dose
Vit C - total 2000 mg (joint supplement has vit c in it)
Fish oil - 2000 mg
vit e

I have reduced the joint supplement to a regular dose and see she's favoring her worst side again. I need to take her back to Dr. Ober and then adjust her supplements from there.

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: LifeAsMe] #114695
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That's the protocol I use above--you can either use the Longevity or Joint Health. Rafi actually gets both (a single dose of both). I give 2000mg vitamin C in addition to the C in the supplements. It's made a world of difference for him. He is incredibly athletic and bounces everywhere. I've been doing this for my dogs for the past 10 years and it's worked for each of them.


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Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: LifeAsMe] #114696
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Yes, it's just surprising when you AREN'T seeing anything and then get the whammy frown

I have not found an animal chiro around here. WHere do you go for Jax? Please tell me it's the NY way and not the PA way!

I'm not sure what to do about the Fish Oil. I'd love to have her on it, but always had the runs when she was previously on it. Not sure if people have had better success with certain brands if the dog seems to have a slight fish sensitivity?


J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114700
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It's over in Candor. Dr. Ober, info in the PM. Do a google search. There has to be someone closer to you!

The fish oil is to help slow/prevent arthritis. Some dogs can process the ALA in flax seed to the needed EPA/DHA. Does kelp have EPA/DHA? If she has a problem with fish, I would look for alternatives. I know they are out there.

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: LifeAsMe] #114701
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oh! here you go! Lots of alternatives!

http://www.google.com/search?q=alternative+to+fish+oil+for+epa%2Fdha&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114702
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So from my calculations a pound of the Longevity will last about 2 weeks? That is rounding up to 80 pounds for a quickie calculation....not gonna be cheap! These dogs!


J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114703
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Haha, thanks..I try to limit my googling at work. Shhhhhhhh.

I see Longevity is designed to be mixed with wet food? For those non-raw feeders do you just sprinkle some water over top?

ETA: Is the Buy 2 Get 1 Free offer something they have going on all the time or no? I see they start free shipping on Thursday so I might wait to buy it until them unless this B2G1 deal is going to end before then.

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J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114705
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Nara was diagnosed with moderate HD in both hips at a little over a year old. There was already some arthritic change even that young. We were told to expect major surgery or she'd be crippled by midlife, and that was from a very experienced ortho vet.

Well, good thing dogs don't read x-rays or diagnostic reports because at 11 yo she's still going strong. Just in the past year we're starting to see some symptoms, but they are very mild..... doesn't run as fast as she used to and bunny hops a bit, doesn't have the stamina she used to, takes her a bit longer to go up the stairs than it used to, a bit more difficult for her to get on the bed and couch. But really, I'd expect those things in any 11 yo dog, HD or not.

We put her on supplements as soon as we found out (glucosamine, chondritin, MSM, Ester C, fish oil/vit E) and of course have always kept her at a good weight and given her appropriate exercise to keep up muscle tone (which helps take some strain off the hips) and in playing avoid things like bouncing kongs that can lead to a drivey dog putting all sorts of incredible strain on the joints. Haven't x-rayed her since then and probably don't want to know what those x-rays would look like now a decade later, but it doesn't matter as she herself is fine.

So while I know it's very concerning news to hear that from a vet, based on my experience I'd say it's safe to assume that as Elsa isn't showing any signs now the long term prognosis is very good regardless of what the x-rays show. Good that you know this and can start a management program to stave off symptoms as long as possible, but overall I'd say the outlook is pretty bright. smile

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: LifeAsMe] #114708
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Originally Posted By: LifeAsMe
It's over in Candor. Dr. Ober, info in the PM. Do a google search. There has to be someone closer to you!



Oops, sorry I'm out of it!


J, mom to:
- Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins"
- Medo - "The Beast From The East"

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114713
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I don't use the longevity. I use this chewables.

http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/joint_health_formula_chewables/dogs

I think it costs about $13/mth if giving a double dose when you buy it with the buy 2 get 2.

The joint supplement has the MSM, chondritin, and glucosamine as well as some Vit C.

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Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: GSDElsa] #114715
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Originally Posted By: GSDElsa
Haha, thanks..I try to limit my googling at work. Shhhhhhhh.

I see Longevity is designed to be mixed with wet food? For those non-raw feeders do you just sprinkle some water over top?

ETA: Is the Buy 2 Get 1 Free offer something they have going on all the time or no? I see they start free shipping on Thursday so I might wait to buy it until them unless this B2G1 deal is going to end before then.


I give Raven the longevity with her dry food. I just add a little water and mix it up. She usually licks the bowl clean.


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Kaiser - GSD 11/09
Holly - GSD 3/24/11
Gatsby & Allie - kitties 5/06
Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: LifeAsMe] #114717
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List of chiropractors in NY associated with AVCA

http://www.avcadoctors.com/certified_member_doctors/unitedstates2.htm

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: LifeAsMe] #114719
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One thing to check about a lot of the made for dog supplements is dosages. Many of them really don't have enough of the joint supplements in them to be worthwhile, at least not when dosing by what the package says.

Dosage for a GSD should be 1500mg Glucosamine, 1200mg Chondritin and 1000-1500mg MSM daily. So do the math to make sure she'd be getting enough of those if using the dog supplements. We just use the human variety as it's cheaper, and the dogs are good pill eaters so we don't need it to be in tasty liver chewable or powder form.

Re: Elsa Has HD--Glad We Got Those X-Rays [Re: Chris Wild] #114728
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Chris - have you ever tried the HA and collagen? I heard people have had good results with the Jarrow's HA. Boeslager uses something completely different but I can't remember what she said.

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