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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: LJsMom] #14180
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Thanks Joanne.

Lisa, I think the whitefish food (canned) we were on had flax in it. Maybe dry didn't.

If we start the Z/D diet and it works, is it safe to try one of these foods, or should we err on the side of caution and only add one ingredient at a time? I mean the common denominator in all of these foods has been flax, but it doesn't mean I'm not overlooking something else. I tend to do that, it seems.

If after all of this, flax is the culprit, I will be both totally relieved and totally mad! To think of all the money we've spent, on vets and various foods, argh. And I know several people mentioned flax (along with barley) can be allergens. I'll be kicking myself as I'm dancing a jig. But don't want to jinx myself...could have been a fluke that the Z/D worked before.

[On a side note, if Max's original food had flax, but he was on it for 5 months before the bad itching started, it could still be the flax, right? I know dogs can develop allergies to ingredients they're over-exposed to - just wasn't sure how quickly they develop. Though he was itchy since we got him. It was just manageable in the beginning.]

I ramble when I'm excited!!!!

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #14398
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Yes, they can develop those allergies over time.

I sure am hoping it's the flax at this point!


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #15772
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Forgot how much I HATE this Z/D food. Day three and the diarrhea has started.

Can anyone recommend a good probiotic we can add without compromising the "hypoallergenic" diet? Last time Max was on this diet, vet had given us some junk in a tube, but it was super-expensive and didn't seem to work.

Thanks!

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #15820
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No advice on the runs since I have no experience with allergies but I wanted to wish you both luck on the new food.Lets hope he improves and it is the Flax in the foods.


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: ALLIE&ATHENA] #15831
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I was under the impression that he did reasonably well on the food, you mentioned how much he improved on the Z/D? Changing to a food that gives him the runs doesn't sound good frown

I would just go to the health food store and pick up something with acidophilous, bifidus and bulgaricus in it. If it's the food though, I don't think a probiotic will help, which might be the reason why the vet stuff didn't help before?

Good luck with this!


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #15886
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We may just have to deal with it for a while and hope it works. Then get him off the food as soon as realistically possible. Maybe the diarrhea will clear up on its own once he's used to the food.

On another note, Max scared the crap out of us today! We were in the yard hanging out (it was almost 50 today) and Max was stalking his favorite tree that chipmunks live in. Sometimes he tries to bite the tree where the holes are, and we normally just let him do it, because he chews a little and then loses interest. At some point we were in conversation and looking away, and suddenly heard this sharp crying. It was Max, and his mouth was stuck to a knob on the tree! The sound coming out of him was awful - it will haunt me for days. I jumped up and ran over, wondering what I would do...luckily, just as I got there, he managed to free himself. I checked his whole mouth right away and didn't see any damage. He was also prancing around and swinging his Jolly ball minutes later, so I'm assuming he's fine. Hoping his screaming was just him freaking out over being stuck. But man, what a scare. I won't be letting him near that tree anymore!!!

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #16003
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How scary, tell Max that those trees are too big for him to try carrying around!


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #17284
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How is Mr. Max doing on the Z/D?


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: LJsMom] #17299
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Originally Posted By: LJsMom
How is Mr. Max doing on the Z/D?


Thanks for asking! smile

So far no change, except for his awful poops - it's day 6 of feeding. I think last time we did this, he'd started improving by now. But I'll be patient. Just frustrating to see himself clawing away at already-red spots on his body. We've been making him sleep in a t-shirt and socks so we could avoid using the muzzle. Seems to work, though we still have to stop him from chewing/licking in the night. He seems especially obsessed with his feet; not sure if it's because he has all the old sores on them, which are now blackish and hard.

Also he's limping again, in spite of the continued use of Adequan. So we got some buffered aspirin to try, because I really didn't want to use Metacam.

If this food doesn't work, no idea where we'll go next...

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #17378
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If this food doesn't work, you go to that fish-based food with no flax.

You should see improvement by now.


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Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: MaxaLisa] #17476
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
If this food doesn't work, you go to that fish-based food with no flax.

You should see improvement by now.


You think that Orijen fish that Joanne suggested would be fine, even though it has tons of stuff in it? I'll just be so bummed if this food doesn't work - since I thought it worked before and it has no flax. Yeah it does have starch and corn starch, which seems odd to me.

We'll finish up this food, and if there's no change, we'll try the Orijen fish.

His itching could be better, but it's taking a different form. He seems to be scratching more with his claws around his head (ears, face, neck). He still chews on other parts of his body, but not nearly as much. I'm afraid to even use the prong collar, because his neck is so red and irritated. And he's losing fur. And like I said, he still goes at "old" spots, which I wonder is somewhat psychological at this point.

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #17543
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I wouldn't go with the Orijen fish. My first choice would be the California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato. The Orijen is a great food - but it can be very hard to get, it's expensive, and it does have lots of stuff in it.

Can you post a picture of the blackish skin? Does it look like this:


Joanne

Kryska's Ironwill Steel Train SD (Siberian Husky) 8-6-99
Miss Mila Monster (GSD) 4-14-02

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Lady Jane Cobb (GSD - age 15)
Sasha (Siberian Husky - age 13)
Niko (Siberian Husky - age 14)
Wooly Bear (Siberian Husky - age 13)
Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: LJsMom] #17593
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Hey Joanne,

I remember you mentioning the CA Natural before - my only concern is that it has barley and oatmeal in it, while the Orijen is completely free of ingredients like that but has lots of fruits and veggies (which I'm pretty sure he never got with his old owner). I can get it locally, but yeah, it's expensive. But it looks like you feed a lot less of it.

Anyway, here are a few pics of Max. I couldn't get all good shots of his skin, because he's curled up.

Here's his foot:


Close up of his heel:


A red spot on his chest:


His neck - not sure if you can see where he's losing fur and red:

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #17630
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Originally Posted By: vio79

I remember you mentioning the CA Natural before - my only concern is that it has barley and oatmeal in it, while the Orijen is completely free of ingredients like that but has lots of fruits and veggies (which I'm pretty sure he never got with his old owner). I can get it locally, but yeah, it's expensive. But it looks like you feed a lot less of it.



Also, EVO Herring & Salmon or Wellness Simple Salmon & Rice could work. Obviously I'd prefer EVO or Orijen.

Re: Mr. Max's Issue(s) [Re: vio79] #17639
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If you think any of it is habit or psychological maybe more steriods while on the new food w/o flax.Why I suggest this is because of my cat.She fractured her hip,it healed then a month or so after she was licking the fur off the area.It was red and raw from her obsession.We tried pain meds on case her hip was sore and she still licked it.After being on the pred with wearing a cone for like 2 weeks she stopped licking and it eventually healed.She is all better now.
Just a thought.I so hope he gets ALL better soon.Poor guy.


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