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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa] #106149
11/20/10 02:52 PM
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We went to the vet. She checked him & told us that his weigh is okay that he seems to be underweight but that she expects him to be like that being 8MO and that it's better for him to be like that for his hips.
She also told us to give him probiotics and recommended me to not give him yogurt but instead just buy a probiotic (i don't recall why).
I told her that I read that I should inscrease the dosage and She explained me that the anamaplasmosis works in a sistematically way thus the bateria is not active yet & that
We're just treating for prevention and that we need to keep an eye on him, monthly bloodtests.


She recommended me to feed him in the morning before the Doxy at 9 AM & because I was making him wait to much time when feeding him which I never thot about.
I was feeding him at 1-2pm then 8pm and then i was making him wait till the next day at 2PM to eat again.

She also told me just like my trainer's vet that it's common in such breed.. that we shouldn't worry if we keep an eye on him.

And helios....well he seems wayyy more hyper I feel like he'll eat me if I don't tire him out.. fetch


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios] #106208
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Yes, give doxy with meals, it is very hard on the stomach. Give probiotics separated by a good 2 hours from the doxy.

I think it took Patti's Grimm about 6 months with no treatment to start seeing the platelets start dropping. At least your vet will be monitoring bloodwork.

It is common in the breed, unfortunately.


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa] #106753
11/22/10 02:54 AM
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Thanks Lisa.

I've one question tho I just noticed a doxy pill under his crate :o:o:o I'm not sure But I think It may be from this morning or who knows It may actually be an older one supposedly given my mom while im at college but that's not the point. I always give him the pill in the crate since it's black I'd notice him dropping the white pill..well seems like I didn't.After giving him the 9PM dosage I found the Pill.
Can be there any cons for not following the treatment every 12 hours?:s I'd look it up myself but my cellphone is being stupidly slow...

Thanks


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I think as a one-time thing, it's okay. In general, of course, not good. But one time shouldn't be a bad thing, just make sure that you give that pill at the end of the treatment too. I dip the pills in yogurt before I feed max to make sure he takes his. It's also important that they don't get stuck in the esophagus - they can cause ulcers if that happens.


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa] #106894
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Thanks Lisa! smile


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios] #120480
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Hello! Just wanted to update since It's been a while, we took helios to the vet to do a bloodtest done and a stool sample since he had diarrhea, at first I didn't worry at all because he was eating like a maniac with tons of energy but still the diarrhea was there even though we were treating it (5 days and no changes) and although he was eating normally he wasn't gaining any weight (70pounds since 2 months ago, hes 9mo ATM). I started to read what may cause it and decided to take him to the vet turns out that it came positive with Ancylostoma (++) aka Hookworm.

The vet first prescribed him endogard when the stool sample came back ++ with hookworms and then later we got the bloodtest result:

Hemoglobin...14,6 g g/dl
Hematocrit.....43.8% (37-55%)

Erythrocytes...5.68
MCH............33.5
MCV............77.0
MCHC............25.8
Leukocytes......15.400/mm3
Platelets: 132.000


The differential

Segmental Neutrophis.......52% 8008
Segmental Eosinophil....11% 1694
Segmental lymphocytes......27% 4158
Monocytes............... 8% 1232


After the resuts she also prescribed him:


[*]endogard
[*]vi-sorbits
[*]proderm


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios] #120510
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I know that severe hookworms can cause anemia and can be difficult to get rid of, I wish you success with them!

With your boy, I would also worry if any of this is a relapse or continuation of the Ehrlichia. That is also *very* likely.

Just for comparison purpose, here were the last blood counts in November:

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Hemoglobin...14,9 g/dl (12-18 g/dl)
Hematocrit.....45% (37-55%)
HCM.........33.1% (31-36%)
Leukocytes......11.200/mm3 (5.000-15.000/mm3)
Interus index......7.5 (7.5-20)


The differential
Segmental Neutrophis...75% 8.400/mm3 (3.000-11.500/mm3)
Segmental Eosinophil......1% 112/mm3 (100-1.000/mm3)
Segmental Basophils ......0% 0/mm3 (0-100/mm3)
Segmental lymphocytes......24% 2.688/mm3 (1.500-5.000/mm3)
Monocytes...............0% 0/mm3 (less than 2.000/mm3)

Platelets: 180.000/mm3 (150.000-500.000/mm3)


Red series: normocromica,normocitica. (I don't know how to translate that to english)

White series:normal
Platelets:presence of macroplatelets & reactive platelets
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I know that hookworms can cause anemia - I don't know if they can cause such low platelets?

If this is the ehrlichia, aggressive treatment will be required. After treating for the Hooks, I would run the blood again to see what happens - I sure hope that is all that is going on.

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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa] #120516
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Thanks lisa I was about to post if you know any ways to raise platelets? the vet recommended us chicken's legs..i don't know if thats the proper translation to english but we just cannot seem to find it so we're looking forward to buy something else while we keep looking.

I discussed with my mom that It may be a relapse also. We already have a vet appt for January 23 to do another bloodtest and another stoolsample.


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Platelets I believe are a bone marrow process - I don't know of any good ways off hand.

I'm glad you have the follow-up appointment. If you see any red spots on the skin of the stomach, or bleeding from the nose, that's a serious sign of low platelets. You probably won't see that unless the platelets drop below 100 or maybe 80. At 132, they aren't scarey low yet.


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios] #120522
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If I translate it to english it'd be "hen's leg" not chicken's leg..what the vet recommended us to raise the platelets. Im atm reading about low platelets and how to raise the platelets.


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If you find a good way to raise them, let us know!


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa] #120525
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Platelets I believe are a bone marrow process - I don't know of any good ways off hand.

I'm glad you have the follow-up appointment. If you see any red spots on the skin of the stomach, or bleeding from the nose, that's a serious sign of low platelets. You probably won't see that unless the platelets drop below 100 or maybe 80. At 132, they aren't scarey low yet.


Ill keep and eye on him, thanks lisa. A few days ago he had a bleeding gum again but I don't know if that's related? since i was playing tug of war with him


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios] #120527
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Sure! I plan on talking with my neighbor, she's a vet and so is her husband to see if they know how to raise them.


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: Helios] #120528
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Vets here typically give prednisone to raise them. NO steroids until you try doxy again!


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Re: Ehrlichiosis on my 7mo Puppy [Re: MaxaLisa] #120531
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Originally Posted By: MaxaLisa
Vets here typically give prednisone to raise them. NO steroids until you try doxy again!


Thanks lisa


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