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Passing Ratio? #344826
07/25/17 05:29 AM
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So we were having a discussion the other day at training and the subject came up about what per cent should we expect in the various OB and/or Rally classes.

For example, I read/saw somewhere in a statistical study that less than 50% was seen in Utility B and even less than that in A.

Does that seem right? I would have guessed, based on nothing except a "Feeling", that it should be much higher. Esp. in the B (experienced) classes.

Any one ever see any stats for Rally classes and the other OB classes? How about the difference in the A and B classes?

I would be really disappointed in my dog if he didn't have a higher pass rate (Reliability?) than that. Can you picture a working dog (Seeing eye, herding, K9, drug, etc. with a less than 50% success/obedience rate?

interesting statistic from AKC. if true, wonder what the reason(s) might be?

Re: Passing Ratio? [Re: Codmaster] #344827
07/25/17 01:02 PM
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Utility is hard and yes 50% seems pretty accurate.


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Unfortunately that is true.

Seems it should be possible to get higher.

We were watching a Rally/OB trial this past weekend from our local OB club and it seems like a lot of the entered folks were not ready. Even in the advanced classes, not Novice, the dogs didn't seem to be paying a lot of attention to their handlers in many cases.

I know that was a major item with our last dog - getting and keeping his attention on me. Once we were able to do that, his performance (and mine) seemed to go much better.

I think our expectations were critical as well - the higher these were, the more we trained and the better we seemed to be able to do.

Just thinking.

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Hey, with my first AKC obedience prospects (before they allowed mixes), we found all the ways possible outside of being excused (no agression from my dogs)in novice A. You don't learn how you will do with trial tension unless you are out there. So maybe be a bit kinder to the less "together" teams?

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Heh! Heh! Know that, been there done that! Novice A in either Rally or Obedience is a novice beginner class and i would expect a not very good pass ratio.

But if they have a good instructor, he/she should cut that a bit by discouraging entry in a real trial before they are ready.

I like the approach I have seen from a couple of real good instructors in different training venues.
That is "Teach", "Generalize" and "Proof".

Not until we get near 100% in Proof situations with many distractions, etc. would I even consider actual trialing.

I like to do it this way so I don't have to use the fourth phase - "Make Excuses". Like too hot, too cold, too wet, too many people around, the judge made me do it, the other dog made him/her blow it, my wife/husband/son/etc. can't be at ringside, etc.
etc.

This last phase can be fun and we can all get really creative.

My last dog blew his last Rally trial (before DM appeared) by reacting briefly (quick turn and bark before returning to a nice heel) when 2 big dogs lunged at him as we heeled by the rope ring "fence".

Earned an NQ from the judge for that. Fortunately we did have a complete video of our whole run thanks to a friend; so we could see his (and mine) performance.

But I don't think he should have reacted even if the dogs did lunge and bark as we walked by. It was a reason, not an excuse. But also not a pass!


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