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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: MaxaLisa] #342072
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@MaxaLisa-I'm a little concerned that he will only eat all his food at night, but I think that's just him being picky. Because he will eat it all. I figure that he was on raw food for so long that he's wishing it was that.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342077
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I've had dogs that prefer an evening meal - currently BTE 2 generally will eat in the evening and only sometimes in the morning. I don't push it. She's fit, she's good weight, she's happy.

Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342079
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Originally Posted By: emilyL
@MaxaLisa-I'm a little concerned that he will only eat all his food at night, but I think that's just him being picky. Because he will eat it all. I figure that he was on raw food for so long that he's wishing it was that.

We keep food available for Abby all day. She usually decides to eat it at night.
Sometimes she will eat during the day, sometimes she won't eat at all.
When her bowl is empty we refill it and she decides when and how much to eat.
She has maintained a healthy weight (with a waistline) her whole life this way.
Many people say a dog should not eat a lot before bedtime or before strenuous
exercise due to the danger of bloating. For that reason, if she decides to
eat at night, we restrict the amount to 2 cups. She usually stops at that
on her own.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: PaddyD] #342081
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I never knew about Ronin possibly getting bloated at night from eating so late. Is that something I should really be concerned about or not really? He's eating his full amount, and eats it from supper time on, and will finish it by bedtime at 10. But he's eating the full recommended amount on the bag and not losing weight so that's not my concern so much. He's still active and his poops are still solid, no diarrhea.

I'm not as concerned as I was before. We go to the new vet on Friday, and I did call them to ask about it, but they said he sounds like he's doing fine and to just watch him until we go and see them on Friday.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342082
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Emily, while it is generally accepted that eating two or three meals over the course of 24 hours is healthier than eating one large meal, there has been no real conclusion about bloat except that dogs with deep narrow chests are more prone to it than dogs that are "rounder".
One of my friends who used to have Akitas did the entire routine - divided meals, no vigorous activity before and after meals and still had dogs bloat.
The best safeguard for preventing bloat I think is to know the signs and know where the emergency vet is located. I am one of the few people I know who had a dog survive bloat and go on to live a healthy, active life for many years.
The main factor I think contributed to her bloat was that she was very upset I had used some deer repellent in the yard. (over the top of newly planted bulbs to keep squirrels away). She planted herself on top of them & I had to physically remove her. She also fit the description - deep narrow chest, alert, active "go get it" dog.

Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: middleofnowhere] #342085
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I think Ronin will be ok. He sometimes will get gassy at night, but I think that's more just his digestive system. He never whines or anything and his chest is pretty wide. I'll just keep an eye on him and let the vet know when we seem them Friday.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342089
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Never had a dog who determined for themselves when they would/would not eat.

We fed our adult dogs 2/day - am and pm. Food left down about 20-30 minutes and then picked up and put away.

If they ate they ate, if not then had to wait for the next meal coming. They also got a few treats when training or if they were really cute!

Some dogs would "Scarf" their food and some were much more picky - as long as they were not sick - so what?

If they were hungry they ate and if not they didn't. Never really worried about it and used no special "additives" i.e. canned food or meat or juices.

Dogs are smart - start using these things and they come to expect them (Like we would!).

Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: Codmaster] #342091
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Of course Codmaster, you are the perfect dog owner and never had a dog that had digestive issues that alter their normal eating habits. My first GSD went 5 days as an eight week old puppy and wouldn't eat and ate nothing. I took him to the vet we checked all kinds of things and could not come up with any reason why he wasn't eating. Finally I figured out through trail and error that you could never mix any thing with his food. If I wanted him to eat I would put a table spoon of left over or that ever in a small bowl next to his kibble, he would eat the goodies and then go eat his kibble. If I took the same goodies and placed it even on top of his food he wouldn't touch it. I had a dog with Pancreatits and there were days he was in a flare and didn't want to eat, but that is very dangerous for him, so some days I would make Oat Meal with ground meat in it and I would hand feed him if I had to to get him to eat. Another one of my GSD's was allergic to chicken and it took me a long time to figure it out. Another GSD if I didn't give her about 1/4 cup of food at bed time she would throw up bile in the AM and then I couldn't get her to eat.

So instead of being so right and a know it all, you could either be nicer or not post at all.

Emily, Glad to hear that you boy is doing better.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: Wisc.Tiger_Val] #342092
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I had a dog go off food for several days, then his appetite returned. NO diarrhea, no vomiting, just lack of appetite and a bit grumpy. A month later, again, no appetite for 5 days. By day 5 I had bloodwork run and he was in kidney failure. He spent the next two weeks at MSU being treated for leptospirosis.

IF you haven't had a complete blood panel run and other tests, I would recommend it. Most dogs do not go off food for no reason.
Sometimes the organs are not working properly which affects the appetite. You don't know exactly what is going on inside without running some tests.

I would recommend giving digestive enzymes, probiotics and try to do these naturally(green tripe suggestion is what I feed for these, as well as milk kefir for more probiotics)
Your dogs gut must be a bit out of whack if there is gas happening....probiotics may help balance the flora.
I hope it is just 'picky' eater and nothing more serious!


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: Jane Jean] #342099
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@codmaster-We did the only eat at certain times and then take the food up and then he just wouldn't eat, even when I would leave the food down. Resulting in the no eating for a week. I really don't want that to happen again. It scared me too much.

@Wisc.Tiger_Val-Thank you! I'm really glad he's getting better. I think there is something else going on, but I do think that a lot of the proteins bother his stomach. We seem to be on the right path right now, but we're just going day by day. Nice to know that I'm not alone with my experiences. smile

@Jane Jean-Oh no I hope your boy is OK! That would be awful to go to. Thankfully Ronin has been eating every day, and even if it's only at night for now I'll just keep my fingers crossed. I am planning on having the vet do some bloodwork this Friday when I see him to make sure that there isn't anything underlying that we're not seeing. Thankfully the gas has stopped, and he only had it for 2 days so fingers crossed!

This morning he ate most of his food I gave him, which was about half of the daily intake he should have, and he only left about half a cup, so I think he's coming back around, but it's just a process we have to work through. He's his normal self and as hyper as ever so we'll see how he does on Friday at the vet and cross my finger everything goes well. I'll make sure to let you know what the vet says! smile


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342102
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I do get some 'looks' when I say that Abby feeds herself. But it has worked
for her for seven years and the vet says she is in "awesome condition".
Also, as for gas, she has probably farted 3 times in her seven years.
Either that or they don't smell?
In the wild, dogs feed themselves as do other animals. I don't understand
why dogs have to be 'fed'. Sure, on the first day or so they will gorge
themselves but, after that, if they always have food in their bowls
I believe they will self-regulate.
Or maybe domestication has made them food idiots.
????


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: PaddyD] #342108
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Haha all quite possible. I think Ronin is fine. He loves the new food and will eat it all, but sometimes I think it's because in the morning he's so hyper and wants to go-go-go, at night he's a bit calmer. I don't concern myself if he doesn't eat first thing in the morning like I did a few weeks ago, but if he doesn't eat at night then I get worried. But so far so good. smile


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342117
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Originally Posted By: emilyL
I think Ronin will be ok. He sometimes will get gassy at night, but I think that's more just his digestive system. He never whines or anything and his chest is pretty wide. I'll just keep an eye on him and let the vet know when we seem them Friday.


Unless there are definite signs of something wrong, most vets are happy with that.

To me, the gas does tell me that there is at the least, a problem with digesting the food, and it may be the amount of food at one time, or maybe something else.


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: MaxaLisa] #342141
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Hey guys! Sorry I didn't update for a few days. It's thanksgiving here in Canada so we were very busy with guests and all the food. smile I took Ronin to the new vet on Friday and he feels that Ronin has either a high sensitivity to certain proteins or he has EPI. We are doing bloodwork next week (we would have done it that same day but he has to fast for 14 hours and he had eaten a few treats while there) to see if that's the cause and if not then he's pretty sure that it's just us having to play around with food for a bit until we find the one that agrees with him. He agrees that the Venison food he's on now, since it's working, is fine and that if it works, then we'll just watch and see what happens. He did say that Ronin is putting on weight and he is at the perfect weight (77.5 pounds) and looks perfectly healthy otherwise.

However, I did find out the other day, just before we went to the vet, that Ronin's 2 brothers from his litter have been put down due to illness. One of the patients from the dentist office I manage was in to see us and she knew exactly what litter Ronin was from when I told her his date of birth and where I got him. She said that one contracted an illness a few months ago and was put down, the other had a genetic condition and had to be put down as well. She couldn't give me specifics because she couldn't remember, but she did know that both dogs, and a few other litters they have had in the past have severe health problems. I told the vet this and he said that I was fine, Ronin was healthy, everything sounds good and his temperament was very good for a first visit to a new vet.

He also said that Ronin may be just one of those dogs that when they go for walks, they get over excited or stimulated and then they poop a lot, which will mean diarrhea and it's just something that I will have to deal with (which is fine) because he poops mostly normal now, other than his walks or after a lot of physical exercise.

I like the new vet and feel like we're on the right track. We go in next week for the bloodwork and we'll see what it says. Hopefully we'll figure out if it's that or something else and go from there. smile


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Re: Ronin Won't Eat New Food [Re: emilyL] #342143
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THis sounds like good news!

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