Well, not so much negligence as trusting that the thing that is supposed to be around their neck is designed to do so and will stay there.

I had this happen with my first foster. He evaled as shy and timid. Perfect for me. Turns out he was just sick and was a 10 month old completely untrained male GSD/maybe with a touch of Malinois. And he could be a total JERK! HA! So they said put a prong on for walks, I did, and he saw this poor little white dog and lunged, breaking the prong (and it was a HS) and he was on that dog...and we were near a major truck route - so 2 dogs in danger. My dog who was with me went to protect the little dog, the poor little old lady with the dog kept clear, thankfully, until I was able to get to him and hold him down. I was so ticked about that collar!!!!!! And had a good day of replaying that incident and the what ifs...over and over again. So I get that feeling - you did a good job, really good job.

We can both knock wood that there was no damage to anyone, anywhere!

Bonnie you are right. It does limit the correction but there is still room for correction. I use the live ring on the martingale so I am able to use it for corrections more if I want. It almost acts just like the snap prong that does not tighten. There is correction behind it but it is more mild.

I think if you felt the need to really correct hard you might use a tab or short leash on the prong and a 6 foot leash on the regular collar. I have never done that but have never needed to use the prong that hard either. Don't know that I would want to. And I don't think I would with a pup that is just 6 months old.

Another method to try if you want more ability to correct would be the Leerburg dominant dog collar. It is that nylon snap around choke that fits just under the ears. I have one but rarely use it. Most of my prong use is when I walk both dogs and I use it to control the team pulling they like to do when they compete for 'who is out front more'. I can still give a correction if I need to but it is more mild than a correction with the straight prong.

I suspect Marshies is not going to use the prong for that hard a correction especially with a puppy. I think she is using it to stop the leg grabbing so I think this combo should work.

I do use the straight prong in obedience to fine tune heeling in an adult dog. I do not think I ever remember popping a dog hard enough to yelp tho, which I think would be too hard.

I haven't used a prong for about 20 years and then very short term and limited. I was just curious based on the pictures.

Your explanation makes perfect sense. I just wasn't getting it.

Thanks.

How scary. Glad Amaretto is ok.

I really like these prongs collars because the slip on over the head like a martingale. It is much easier on my fingers than dealing with the links Benny's has lasted well over a year. They come in pretty colors too and in different sizes.

Lolalimited

I have not had it break but still always have the leash attached to his regular collar.
I even ordered an extra one to put away in case they go out of business

I am NEVER going out with that prong as our main collar again.-- i was hoping that your trainer would have told you the importance of a backup and a good quality prong.you must always always check your prong for imperfections. recently cuvees prong got squished and bent.i thought i had fixed it but when i was training, it complaetely fell off. i had gotten lax in the "backup"idea and luckily didnt hae to pay the price of my stupididty.... i am so thankful the ameretto is ok and so are you. how terrifiying.

Hi Guys,

Again, thank you for the thoughtful messages. She is on a flat collar as her main collar now with the prong on tab. I only use the prong for biting, so I don't need to hold it on leash all the time. She got the idea quickly, but it's only been 2 days so I'm keeping it on just in case.

I, too, am VERY thankful that she is alright. SO MANY THINGS could've gone wrong. I got a new, sturdier prong collar today.

Debbie, the collar you linked looks perfect. It's so pretty and easy to put on too!

i am so lucky that my Roy is good on recall.Has been good from day one thankfully