#211098 - 02/07/12 07:57 AM
Re: Corrections
[Re: ladyfreckles]
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A lot of positive trainers think you shouldn't "correct" a pup until they hit 6 months old. It based on that they are still learning and whole lot of correcting can dampen their enthusiasm to learn.
I personally don't think corrections should be brought in until a dog really understands what you are asking of them. If they are doing it quickly and correctly 90% of the time then it's possible they are simply choosing to ignore. If I am getting particularly frustrated with my dog not listening, I will simply take away their option to ignore by not giving them room on the leash to move around.
At Viking's age, his training sessions should be short and sweet and always ending on a good note.
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#211104 - 02/07/12 08:23 AM
Re: Corrections
[Re: gsdraven]
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I don't really "correct" my young puppies but I give a negative reward marker. I say "oops", Jason says "no" and another trainer I know says "uh-oh". So, for example, if I ask for a sit (and he supposedly knows this) and he ignores me, I say "oops" lure him around some more to get him moving and ask again, this time with more assitance if needed. I use this their whole lives. If I'm trying to shape a behavior a little later, I praise for offers but say "oops" if it's wrong. They will continue to throw behaviors until the right one or the approximation I am looking for pops up. I only use "no" if they are really, really naughty (like it might be something that could cause harm). Otherwise, I use ah! as a "stop that right now" command.
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#211110 - 02/07/12 08:48 AM
Re: Corrections
[Re: DancingCavy]
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Hard to correct a dog or puppy that does not know anything. It would be grossly unfair in fact.
Might want to invest in a book by Sheila Booth titled "Purely Positive Training" she has GSD's and this is an excellent all around book to start a puppy with whether you want just a home companion or think you might decide to compete in various venues. She shows you how to adjust training for different venues too.
You are in Seattle I see and you can order this book from dogwise which is in Wenatchee. You can have it in 2 days most likely. They always had my books to me in 2 days when I lived in Umatilla, OR.
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#211147 - 02/07/12 10:22 AM
Re: Corrections
[Re: Kayos]
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you dont need a clicker to train you can use a marker word. puppies do not need "coRrectionS'... please do not use corrections until you know he knows the behaviour your asking him to do and have proofed it backward and foreward. then you cn add correction - but you must know what YOU are doing too. a mistimed correction or an unfair correction will set your training back. right now you have a clean slate....dont mess it up with corrections that are unneccissary. the whole no, uh-ho, i do not consider corrections and i am assuming you are defining "corrections" as the old school kind of collar pop , screaming at or smacking .... guess we should kknow what your definition is?
anyhow, as stated above, please check into some videos by micheal ellis, ivan babalanov or others. denise fenzi even. very helpful.
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#211158 - 02/07/12 10:33 AM
Re: Corrections
[Re: Schnickle Fritz]
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I always say that young puppies have the attention span of a gnat.
Keep your training times short and fun 15 mins or so to start.
I don't correct puppies other than what has been posted above, I give a negative voice marker and then lure them into what is correct and then praise. For young pups I usually use treats with praise as that is a high value reward for them. Around 4 - 6 months I start alternating between treats with praise and just praise.
If you pup isn't food motivated use a tug toy as a reward, a little tug session at this point with always letting the pup win, you want to build confidence. As the pup gets older you make it harder for them to win, more resistant on your part of letting go of the tug toy.
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#211204 - 02/07/12 12:00 PM
Re: Corrections
[Re: ladyfreckles]
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I think it is all about being fair. Puppies like babies don't come out knowing commands and right from wrong. So you want to have your pup want to please you that in turn will make him want to learn more.
Puppies and dogs learn through repetition. Just keep it short and fun for now.
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